All will kill animals quickly out to 1000 yards, plus. It is the third cartridge designed by Nosler. Keep in mind, there are a lot more factors at play than the basics. The parent cartridge is the .375 Ruger. Materials and barrel life. The velocity also comes at play here since kinetic energy is determined based on velocity and the formula is-. Bertram = 100 gr. The terminal performance will be so close between the three that I would completely discount any advantage the 30 Nosler would have. So, in conclusion, getting the 30 Nosler is worth the effort if performance is what youre looking for! Mag the only one I would consider would be the Berger ammunition loaded with 215s. Are you in for competition or a high-performance hunting cartridge? . . A side benefit is you'll push out a lot of powder fouling. While the .26 Nosler and the .28 Nosler share the same cartridge case dimensions, the .30 Nosler has a slightly shorter length to the shoulder dimension than the .26 Nosler and the .28 Nosler,[7] and the .33 Nosler has a shorter shoulder length dimension than that of the .30 Nosler. Four of Nosler's Cartridges, the .26 Nosler, .28 Nosler, .30 Nosler, and .33 Nosler, are based on the same .300 Remington Ultra Magnum[6] parent case. 30 Nosler cartridges start from $90-100 for 20 rounds. Meaning 3050 fps is as fast as I would want to run to keep brass usable for more than a couple reloadings. The .22 Nosler is a .22-caliber (.224in; 5.6mm), rebated-rim centerfire rifle cartridge designed by Nosler. The .28 Nosler cartridge case can be formed by "necking up" or expanding the neck of a .26 Nosler case to 7mm (.284") diameter. Just about every .30-caliber magnum puts a lot of bullet in the case. Now I will be the odd man out that has never seen a huge difference in case design as far as performance. This factory cartridge OAL is what holds the Win Mag back when it comes to factory ammo options and is a major reason the guys at Hornady developed the 300 PRC. Well use it as a benchmark to help you understand load data better. As a result, it gets the advantage of trajectory as well. To retain 1800fps & 1500ft/lbs (my elk criteria) at 7000'AMSL & 30F (typical conditions where we hunt elk): .280AI is a 985yd rifle (1967fps & 1500ft/lbs) 28N is a 1325yd rifle (1861fps & 1500ft/lbs) 28N, at 985yds, still carries 2140fps & 1980ft/lbs, beating the .280AI by almost 200fps & 480ft/lbs of energy on target, and with 25" less drop . However, 28 Nosler takes the edge on barrel life. The 300 Win Mag is going to push a 215 Berger between 2900 and 3000 fps most of the time. In that case, its called a compressed load. However, its still in theory and nothing has been proven yet. Load data is the amount of grain of powder charge your cartridge needs for maximum performance. The first few hundred rounds will be the best that you get. Take the guess work out of the equation. What do they have to say? I finally found a load with the 230 Berger Hybrid and Retumbo. So, it can be said without question that Nosler cartridges are worth the money! The rifle used for the review is my 3rd 300 Win. You gain what 2-3 grain powder on a case that already holds 93gr water capacity. Thats the same with my bigger magnums.Remember 600-1000 rounds of barrel life in a hunting rifle is a really long time. Thats a lot of meat in the freezer, haha. If the new steel ends up offering 50% or more-barrel life in big magnums, then the 33XC might start picking up popularity in hunting rifles. My current setup has quite a bit of throat erosion at 190 rounds. My buddy said it looked like his 6XC at 2000 rounds LOL. Jan 15, 2023. fnlights . The 210 grain Accubond factory ammo does not shoot well in any rifle I have seen, including mine. Some of which have become household names in the world of hunting. If I have my dimensions correct (if not correct me please), everything is so close, that you can almost fire one round in the other's chamber (I am not condoning this, its a bad idea, but you get the point). How can you extend the lifetime of your barrel. Now, 28 Nosler needs 79gr of H1000 powder for its maximum load capacity. Ballistic Coefficient refers to the bullets ability to deal with air resistance. 30 Nosler (2016) 33 Nosler (2016) 22 Nosler (2017) 27 Nosler (2020) The 26 Nosler was developed using the 300 Remington Ultra Magnum (RUM) as a parent case while the 28 Nosler was developed using a shortened and necked down 404 Jeffery case. Surprised? The Hornady brass has a total water capacity of around 96 grains. It may not display this or other websites correctly. Accuracy at 100 yards degraded at around 300 rounds but still shot great at distance until about 850 rounds at which point it completely gave up. [16], The .28 Nosler is essentially a shortened version of the 7mm Remington Ultra Magnum (7mm RUM). This will give you 92% load capacity. For the Nosler 30, you can get something like the Browning X-Bolt pro which is in the range of $1500-2000. For a sub-MOA barrel, many shooters report a loss in peak accuracy for 28 Nosler around the 800-round mark, while a 6.5 Creedmoor barrel can hold accuracy until around 2,000-2,500 rounds on average. Meanwhile, the supersonic range of 30 Nosler is 1750 yards for 2.82 seconds. The 300 PRC is going to push a 215 Berger between 2950 and 3050 most of the time. This will help you when we get into the technical details later. Equal pressure, proper freebore with same bullet/powder: 300prc<30SM<30 Nosler. A faster-than-standard 1-8.5" twist barrel design allows the 27 Nosler to propel Nosler's factory-loaded 150gr AccuBond and 165gr AccuBond Long Range bullets (new for 2020) at never-before-seen velocities and distances in 270 caliber. However, keep in mind that the condition of the gun also plays a key role in determining ballistics. Its the velocity of the bullet at the time of leaving the rifle. From the table, you can see the change in velocity, elevation, energy, windage based on distance and time of flight. I, however, would never shoot a 180 grain bullet in a 30 caliber. Snow. In 2017, Nosler announced the largest of the family: the .33 Nosler. These include factors like load data and barrel life. Among other things, Ryan builds 300 Normas that are meant to hunt with. [5][9], The high velocity of the .26 Nosler cartridge has raised concerns about excessive barrel wear, potentially wearing down barrels at a rate faster than that of the similar .264 Winchester Magnum, which itself has a reputation for being a "barrel burner". The .30 Nosler is a 30-caliber (.308in; 7.62mm), rebated-rim centerfire rifle cartridge designed by Nosler. This website uses cookies to improve your experience. As far as new cartridges go theres always going to be the latest and greatest. Ive obviously built quite a few 300 Norma and Norma improved. The fact that Lapua makes the brass is a huge bonus for it. I have 28 WARM firings on a single piece of brass and the primer pocket is still tight. Feels almost brand new. Its a great round. Extremely accurate and wide nodes. Capable of sending a 230 berger over 3000 fps in a 26 barrel and still fit in magazines while throated for heavy bullets.. The 30 Nosler is going to push a 215 Berger 3000-3100 fps most of the time. If youre reading this, it probably concerns you. Learn how to load develop in < 50 rounds here. But before that, lets understand how load capacity works. The guy who bought it we talk and he seems to really like it 2930ish I think 250 a-tip rl33 28 inch bartlein barrel. Attachment While the collection isnt the most comprehensive as of yet. As I did not find acceptable accuracy at any velocity, it is impossible for me to say were the accuracy node would be. You will probably never wear out this traditional hunting rifles barrel. . They are still supersonic at the distance, their windage correction will be relatively low say 6-8MOA of wind in 10mph full value which makes it easier to connect in changing winds. Its parent cartridge is the 300 H&H. The .26 Nosler is designed as a modern 6.5mm cartridge, using recent advances in firearm technology to attain exceptionally high muzzle velocities, up to 1,040m/s (3,400ft/s), and maintain an extremely flat trajectory. The extra heat required to reach hyper speed eats away at barrel throats rather quickly. The maximum upload file size: 256 MB. The 28 Nosler has a muzzle energy of 3470 ft-lbs, and the 30 Nosler has muzzle energy at 3639 ft-lbs. If you shoot a fast string,and repeat this, the internal surface wears fast and the heat stress will cause deformities also known as heat cracks or snake skin. I will discuss this throughout the review. If youre wondering which shooting gloves to go for, check out our suggestions-. On the other hand, the 30 Noslers recoil rate is 31.58 ft-lbs. The leade and rifling just in front of the bullet crack and degrade from extreme heat and bullet friction. Nosler adds a new cartridge in 2020, the .27 Nosler. Accuracy is excellent with both. Barrel life ranges from 2,000 to 4,000 rounds depending on use. The H100 powder is one of the best in the business. I have never had a barrel this picky. To know more, check the chart for the windage of 28 and 30 Nosler. Later in October 2016, Nosler continued to add to the cartridge family by releasing the .33 Nosler, and in January 2017 they introduced the .22 Nosler. As a last ditch effort I purchased some hammer bullets: 143gr HH, 150gr SH and 155gr HH in their 15 round sample packs. Some very reputable gun builders are seeing half the barrel life when using N570 compared to other powders with lower heat indexes such as H1000. I know without a doubt, I will be shooting a 30 Nosler until I cant get brass or the next best thing comes along. 30 Nosler is the easy button if you want a little more velocity than the PRC and adg brass is good. 3. For 28 Nosler, it has a barrel life of 700-900 rounds for 175-grain bullets. It was a hot load and only got 3-4 firings with Norma brass but shot 3-5 groups at my 1110 yard plate and 1.5-2.5 groups at my 755 plate and just didnt shoot its best any slower so I kept rolling at 3250. The 180 Accubond factory ammunition shoots great in everything I have seen including mine. The .33 Nosler is a .33-caliber (.338in; 8.6mm), rebated-rim centerfire rifle cartridge designed by Nosler. The funny thing is the 33XC barrel is consistently holding 2-3 vertical at 1000 right now. How much longer it will do that I have no idea but Im guessing the barrel will give up peak accuracy around 400 rounds or maybe a hair less. Im going to try a different powder in my next barrel and see if that helps with throat erosion etc. Currently using N570 and pushing a 300 gr berger at 3225 fps in a 30 proof carbon barrel. That combo definitely isnt going to be easy on barrels! The zero range of the rifle as well as the height of the sight should be taken into account. There are a lot of underlying factors that determine the efficiency of a cartridge. With the 30SM you have adg and lapua but I have not tryed lapua because Rich set up the reamer and dies around adg brass. Before I wrap this up, I will quickly discuss two cartridges that many will want to compare to the three in the article. Rod: Do you see any big changes in high performing calibers or barrels used for them? All Rights Reserved, OtoPro SoundGear Phantom and Impulse Review, Vortex Razor HD 4000 GB Rangefinder Review, Toric UHD 2.5-15x44mm FFP Hunt Series Riflescope Review, The Best of Hunting Big Mule Deer Trailer, Id Rather Be Lucky Than Good a Rokslide.com Original Film, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5TfN4eHAGDo&t=140s. Mag. The barrel doesn't really burn. In January 2017 Nosler introduced the .22 Nosler. 30 Nosler vs the 300 PRC and more. String of shots how many rounds are you expecting to shoot in a string? [8], When released, the .26 Nosler was claimed to be the most powerful commercial 6.5mm cartridge in the world. If I take a 300Norma on my next Ibex hunt, the cost of the barrel wear and the lifetime of that barrel is virtually negligible too compared to the cost of my hunt. Thanks guys. Mik: F-Open is always evolving calibre wise, we have gone from 6.5-284 to 7mm to 30 Cal, but its restricted to 8mm and no one has gone down that route yet, no really good bullets in 8mm avail yet. Heat is the enemy of barrel life, the hotter you get your barrel the faster the rifling will begin . For a bullet to be accurate, its trajectory has to be as smooth as possible. Ok once were over the financials, lets speak to the experts. Why these three cartridges? Some are claiming as little as 600-round barrel life for RUM, 1,000 rounds for .28 Nosler, 2,000 for Rem. Ryan: Round count ispretty subjective. Accuracy requirements play a big role in that as well, along with the above-mentioned variables. The groups were 1.25 at its best. Above: Pushing the limits during ladder testing of the 300Norma Mag before taking it for the King of 1 mile competition in France. bullet. So, the air can control the path of the bullet, eventually taking it away from its target. 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