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It is usually a combination of heraldry and letters or logos, which need to be decoded in order to determine the actual manufacturer of the reproduction. Weekly . T^;y} 4E HV{PTwjrh"1 fv] Liege, in Belgium, has always been celebrated for its weapons, and established its proof house as a municipal enterprise on May 10, 1672, when it was laid down that barrels should be marked with the stamp of the city, and unproved weapons might not be sold under pain of a fine of a gold florin and the confiscation of the unproved barrel. 0000016641 00000 n
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1970 = XXVI. Proof marks are the official stamps or ciphers showing that a barrel has been properly tested with the prescribed excess charges of powder and ball that allow a large factor of safety to the user. This site is an educational and resource site for collecting cap and ball replica revolvers. It may not display this or other websites correctly. The top of the barrel is marked, " Connecticut Valley Arms-Made in Italy". Following is a chart displaying the year of proof symbols used from 1954 to 2003. 0000009527 00000 n
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The two upper case letters or roman numerals in a box is the code for the year the firearm was proofed. There used to be an odd-duck that came about several ways. Thanks for your help. Join Date: August 15, 2012. Birmingham did not establish its proof houses until 1813, and though another Act was passed in 1815 to strengthen the former, the laws were not stringent enough, and the Birmingham proof was not recognized as sound until much later, when the Act of 1855, still unsatisfactory, and the eventually satisfactory one of 1868, was passed. trailer
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There were a good many very small family shops in the Gardone, Brescia area of Italy like MOFRA and others. Serial Number: 12150. Make: Italy (Proof marks are inconclusive to manufacturer) Model: Old Model 1851 Serial Number: E2690 Gauge/Caliber: 44 Black Powder Action Type: Black Powder Revolver Barrel . The polished brass trigger guard and walnut grips hold true to tradition. I wonder what the odds of a real Walker turning up in Switzerland are? 0000051711 00000 n
The AE is the proof mark and that is decoded as 1979. M855 Green Tip. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. The fourth the crossed branches, with the letters S.E.E., and a cross in their angles. Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy. These Modern pistols and revolvers are proved in their last stage of manufacture when complete with action and in firing order. <<421B3FD89E55944EA1FB205BE7ED37D9>]/Prev 780315>>
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Anyone have the latest date codes? This mark appears with the standard marks and standard load marks for the caliber. The "PN" are the initials for "polere nera" or black powder. startxref
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Specifications: Manufacturer -- Fusav di Bini & Baronio (Italy) Date Code -- "AD" = 1978 date of manufacture Barrel Markings: Left side -- 36 Cal. since 1950 E. German, Suhl 1st black powder proof for smooth bored barrels since 1950 E. German, Suhl inspection mark since 1950 E. German, Suhl choke-bore barrel mark PROOF MARKS: GERMAN PROOF MARKS, cont. xref
These traditional single-shot, rolling block, trapdoor, and slide- and lever-action . Thanks for finding it for me. 0000105711 00000 n
It is also these proofmarks, especially manufacturer symbols/logos that give us a history of the firearm. In my own web search for the most recent date code chart, I came across this one: What is the date for CT code? location, rather than a manufacturer. Uberti set the standard for producing quality replica firearms by which all others are judged. and 20 Gauge.
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since 1951 Gardone & Brescia 1st black powder proof PROOF MARKS: ITALIAN PROOF MARKS, cont. It has a Naval scene roll marked on the cylinder. St. Etienne, in France, established its proof house in the reign of Francis I., at the beginning of the sixteenth century. -Ec]]`iBd[&QE~t|J3Wva64v0-uy6Owi.x1:y14y=l*^>rv^)eO>S^)zy^Qp.6CTZ=_"qU[f!=xKw2"+pMlb/}-g%0_/3LA0G#%gC_`uC/}uEpV:+kk Powered by Invision Community. :idunno: I know it of recent manufacture since Pietta began making this particular model only in recent years. Italian firearms date year of proof codes. Once tested and successful the weapon was stamped with a seal to acknowledge the testing - called "Proof Marks". 0000080318 00000 n
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Some of the tables stop at 2010 or so. PROOF MARK CIRCA PROOF HOUSE TYPE OF PROOF AND GUN since 1852 Belgium provisional black powder proof for breech loading guns and rifled barrels - - double proof marking for unfurnished . BICBWmaybe a call to PIetta or Uberti would solve the mystery?? From left to right (upside down) are the test house and black powder proof house stampings, followed by a boxed BM, denoting a . H|TMs0+Vcv~$C4=[Yb$9?dowy3YY^TO~&nV;r6gReI
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country requiring that weapons sold within the respective country, and Applies primarily to guns made outside the U.S. Information courtesy of The Blue Book of Gun Values by S.P. Pietta. Birmingham had also a proof, but this test was not obligatory, and makers evaded the tests. 0000057983 00000 n
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Underneath the whole appears the word St. Etienne. It prompted me to get up and check when my guns were made. The drawings vary in style due to differences in the original information.Most are black silhouettes, but some of those that have been produced from photographs have a quasi 3 dimensional appearance that requires the onlooker . So, what follows is a photo library of many of the various Black Powder Proofmarks, Date Codes, Importer, Distributor and Manufacturer's Marks to help with identifying the manufacturer of your revolvers, pistols or rifles. 0000016002 00000 n
1946 = 2. for exports be able towithstand a proscribed load without damage. Barrel length is 5 3/4" and overall length is 11". Proof marks are the official stamps or ciphers showing that a barrel has been properly tested with the prescribed excess charges of powder and ball that allow a large factor of safety to the user. TABLE OF RELATION BETWEEN LETTERS AND YEARS FOR THE ITALIAN PROOFTEST HOUSE The second one PN under a star means BLACK POWDER PROOFING (P stands for POLVERE - POWDER, N stands for NERA - BLACK) There is a crown over V, which is a final view mark for proof. Besides these national collections, there are many municipal and private galleries whose curators have formed most excellent catalogues, but in the main this knowledge is uncoordinated. 0000000016 00000 n
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